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See, I just assumed that was Troll.Thu May 10, 2018 1:53 am
Hawk Greatgust's ship (called Crimson Vintage in the final book) was called Fíon Dearg in the earlier drafts.Statistics:Posted by etherial — Thu May 10, 2018 2:04 am
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I know there was an airship Named in Gaelic that I nixed (changing it to a close English equivalent) because it so blatantly stood out. There might have been a couple of others that weren't as obvious, but the airship was the big one I remember.
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I also put some Irish words into the manuscrip, not all made it through editing, but I think a few did, so have at it nerds
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Seriously tho, I can understand that the 'weight' of previous content (i.e. canon) can be heavy on you. Earthdawn had 4 previous editions that each added a bit to its history and background as the years went by (plus it's 'now unofficial' link with Shadowrun) so keeping continuity in line must be very hard, especially since (based on other posts you made) your creative team seems to be very small.
We (at least I am) are very pleased that you choose to continue this universe instead of attempting a 'reboot' like they did, for example, with 7th Sea who just threw out of the window about 30 books worth of content to completely start over the universe into something with a similar atmosphere but with world so completely different from the previous edition that nothing is valid anymore and that the users have to wait for the new books to (slowly) come out, impeding in the process the tools of the game master who is afraid to venture outside the limited described universe in fear of being 'overridden' by new canon the next month.
Please do not take our discussions about the Earthdawn universe as a complaint to you or FASA about the continuity/canon of the universe. We are just a bunch of nerds fantasizing about this vast and rich universe you guys have created and I assure you that this is a very, very good sign.
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One of my personal bugaboos lately is the attempts by big studios to create mega-franchises in the pattern of the Marvel movieverse, and the related obsession in the fan community with canon and continuity.
Speaking of Marvel, I'm reminded of the "No-Prize", given out in the letters columns of yore, when a fan would come up with an explanation for an apparent continuity error or similar problem.
No harm, no foul. It's all good.
Edit to add: The "you" in the bit you quoted should probably be read more as a general you rather than a personal you. But I can understand the confusion.
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My apologies if my posts came across as some sort of attack. So I feel like I should clarify my intent.Tue May 08, 2018 1:26 pm
Look, I'm as guilty as anyone of obsessing over trivia and mastering lore. But there comes a time when, honestly, you just need to accept that it's a fictional world and not every detail is going to hang together like a perfect crystal chandelier. (...)You're of course completely right: this is a game, it's not perfect and will never be. And in fact, at no point have I said "we should burn all the Travar books and print them again"
It's a fine book -- a great one, even. If my post was intended as a serious criticism of the product I would have posted it in the "Product Discussion" section. As I said in my original post, this is only an idea that crossed my sleepless mind while reading through the Travar book for the second time. This is the "For Game Masters" section, and -- for me at least -- coming up with theories to explain discrepancies in the world is part of the fun of being a GM. Discrepancies, contradictions, shady areas, strange Names... are where ideas are born for an adventure, a NPC, an artifact... Maybe some of the other Game Masters will find them useful, or inspiring, or bad, and that's OK. I'm certainly not trying to suggest it should be made canon or anything.
I mean, if that was the case, I would have sent you a proposal for an Athenai / Rugaria sourcebook instead of posting it here
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Look, I'm as guilty as anyone of obsessing over trivia and mastering lore. But there comes a time when, honestly, you just need to accept that it's a fictional world and not every detail is going to hang together like a perfect crystal chandelier.
(And the little detail that ruins it? It's gonna be different for different people! You can't win!)
So, yeah. There's gonna be stuff that doesn't necessarily hang together. As mentioned earlier, they don't speak English in Throal, but the books are written in English for a (primarily) English-speaking audience. The nature of etymology means words will show up referencing stuff they couldn't actually reference in Barsaive.
And that's okay. To borrow from the great sage Joel Hodgson, "Repeat to yourself it's just a game. You should really just relax."
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Well, that's the thing: despite what the legends say, historians think the goddess was named after the city, not the other way around ^^'Mon May 07, 2018 4:38 pm
That references in an old (forgotten) language were used for Athena (goddess of wisdom), from which the city (Athens) took its name?Statistics:Posted by Marzhin — Mon May 07, 2018 9:35 pm
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That references in an old (forgotten) language were used for Athena (goddess of wisdom), from which the city (Athens) took its name?
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Maybe, although I believe that in a setting where Names hold so much power, writers need to be careful.Mon May 07, 2018 4:34 am
Also with respect to Athens in Earthdawn, one should remember that while a lot of material in Earthdawn's books are presented as being in-character, these are clearly translations for the benefit of the modern audience. Barsaivians obviously neither speak English nor write with the Latin Alphabet. Consequently the most parsimonious explanation for why a library in Travar is referred to as an Athenaeum is that its actual name uses a word that references a different place of learning - likely either Throal or Thera - which was translated to Athenaeum for the benefit for the English speaking reader.Statistics:Posted by Marzhin — Mon May 07, 2018 1:01 pm
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As for the colour map in the Theran Empire book, one really should not put a lot of weight on it. It's clearly full of errors contradicting the material presented both in the book and elsewhere. Most egregiously, it shows Creana as being next to the Earthdawn equivalent of the Nile, rather than along it as clearly depicted in the Creana chapter, and indeed as common sense would expect. What's more the map isn't even presented as being in-character, so no further explanation is needed to explain its mistakes than the artist not being very familiar with the setting.
Also with respect to Athens in Earthdawn, one should remember that while a lot of material in Earthdawn's books are presented as being in-character, these are clearly translations for the benefit of the modern audience. Barsaivians obviously neither speak English nor write with the Latin Alphabet. Consequently the most parsimonious explanation for why a library in Travar is referred to as an Athenaeum is that its actual name uses a word that references a different place of learning - likely either Throal or Thera - which was translated to Athenaeum for the benefit for the English speaking reader.
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