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It's the same sort of thing as if you have a group all on foot trying to sneak.

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Reciprocity wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:17 am
Everyone seems to be forgetting that illusion magic is happening.
I don't think anyone is forgetting that. It is *highly* unlikely that a mount's Stealthy Stride is magical. It's also not a guarantee that the rider's ability is a Talent. Regardless, there's nothing suggesting that Stealthy Stride is like an aura that extends out. Otherwise, one could argue that a single character in the party with Stealthy Stride could make others stealthy if they're sufficiently close. Since it doesn't, I don't believe it's reasonable to say that a rider's Stealthy Stride magically extends out into the mount.
Reciprocity wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:17 am
That [magic] includes sound suppression including deepening shadow and using illusion to remain unobserved. In my opinion even stepping on creaky floor boards, stepping on twigs can be suppressed by high enough talent rank.
This is kind of splitting hairs to me. Someone making a successful Stealthy Stride skill test likely moves across a squeaky surface by testing before each step, adjusting weight, re-positioning, etc in order to prevent squeaks. Someone making a successful Stealthy Stride talent test likely moves across a squeaky surface without much concern because the magic muffles the squeaks. It's still the test maker altering things related to their actions, there's nothing inherently suggesting that the test maker can extend that skill/talent through to another entity, whether it's a mount carrying them or another Namegiver carrying them.

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2017-10-16T03:17:102017-10-16T03:17:10 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4066#p4066 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]> In my opinion even stepping on creaky floor boards, stepping on twigs can be suppressed by high enough talent rank.

I see no reason not to use the higher of the mount or rider to make the roll.
Or an average of the two. Especially if the two are use to each other.

The book says that "Skill" Use. Works similar without the magic affects.

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2017-10-15T22:55:142017-10-15T22:55:14 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4059#p4059 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]>
As far as all this mount stuff goes, ask yourself this: if two people are moving in a group, do you make them both roll hide/sneak? If you do, how SIGNIFICANTLY different is two Namegiver versus a Namegiver on a mount?

Sneaking is definitely more than movement, so being astride doesn't mean you no longer have to be quiet. Being trained as a mount for sneaking doesn't mean instantaneous adjustment to idiot riders. It's still a partnership, where both have to contribute to the successful endeavor. I honestly don't see significant reason to even reduce the difficulty of the stealth test for the rider: they, too, must react to the mounts movements to keep things from jingling, and the inability to predict that movement offsets any bonus they might have to foot placement.

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2017-10-15T13:08:022017-10-15T13:08:02 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4056#p4056 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]>
ChrisDDickey wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:03 am
Jason wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:40 pm
Are you saying you would allow someone to hide perfectly with out a test if they weren't moving? Because I wouldn't, I would allow a bonus for being in a well chosen location holding still etc. (per rules 165ED4GM -3 to +4 depending on concealment & others for general environment).
So would you allow a Dex check with a +4 bonus for have chosen to be upon a creature with Stealthy Stride? Because that seems like a really excellently chosen location to me.
Depends, is the person concealed? (being on a mount doesn't make you concealed). Concealment basically means some sort of cover.
ChrisDDickey wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:03 am
Jason wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:40 pm
Being stealthy isn't just about not stepping on leaves or twigs. It is also about timing your movements, your breathing, knowing where someone might be looking, making sure your things on your body don't make noise, etc.
A person riding a mount trained in Stealthy Stride is not stepping on leaves or twigs, the rider is not putting feet down at all. The Stealthy Mount is also in charge of timing the movements, and only moving when nobody is looking. So the riders only responsibilities from your list is to quietly breath in time with the mount and make sure things on his body don't make noise, which if you have gone to the trouble of obtaining a stealthy mount you have probably also wrapped the metal bits of it's harness with cloth or leather and done other noise muffling things.
I think you are getting overly caught up in the name of the talent and the word stride. As I said before... it is way more then where you put your feet. Sounds like you should have your calveryman pick up the skill stealthy stride so he knows how to be still and quite while riding on his mount... if that is the goal.

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2017-10-15T12:50:572017-10-15T12:50:57 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4054#p4054 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]>
Calamrin wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:09 am
Off the top of the head, spur of the moment GM decision, id rule mount rolls stealthy stride, with say a +2 modifier to difficulty for each person its carrying whos also trying to stay low profile....or something like that.
Personally, I'd give the mount a penalty if it's responsible for helping to hide the clanking lumbering 200 lb independent entity messing with its mojo.

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2017-10-15T07:09:412017-10-15T07:09:41 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4053#p4053 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]> Statistics:Posted by Calamrin — Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:09 am


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2017-10-15T04:03:532017-10-15T04:03:53 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4052#p4052 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]>
Jason wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:40 pm
Are you saying you would allow someone to hide perfectly with out a test if they weren't moving? Because I wouldn't, I would allow a bonus for being in a well chosen location holding still etc. (per rules 165ED4GM -3 to +4 depending on concealment & others for general environment).
So would you allow a Dex check with a +4 bonus for have chosen to be upon a creature with Stealthy Stride? Because that seems like a really excellently chosen location to me.
Jason wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:40 pm
Being stealthy isn't just about not stepping on leaves or twigs. It is also about timing your movements, your breathing, knowing where someone might be looking, making sure your things on your body don't make noise, etc.
A person riding a mount trained in Stealthy Stride is not stepping on leaves or twigs, the rider is not putting feet down at all. The Stealthy Mount is also in charge of timing the movements, and only moving when nobody is looking. So the riders only responsibilities from your list is to quietly breath in time with the mount and make sure things on his body don't make noise, which if you have gone to the trouble of obtaining a stealthy mount you have probably also wrapped the metal bits of it's harness with cloth or leather and done other noise muffling things.

The mount does not have complete autonomy on where it goes, but in stealth mode a rider would need to give the mount a direction, and let the mount pick the details of how to get there.

And once again, having the rider and mount both roll Stealthy Stride is not really an option, since Stealthy Stride can not be used untrained and the specific case being asked about is a character that does not have Stealthy Stride is riding upon a mount that does.


Telarus: Thanks, I had not recalled that section. It is not 100% an exact match with the situation, since the one is a patrol happening to notice the party group, and the other is a guard that may be on alert due to having seen other party members noticing or not noticing some of the party, but as you say, it does seem related enough to possibly be a precedent.

So incorporating the suggestions here, the possible ways it could be resolved is that the GM picks one of the following.
  • A stealthy mount is irrelevant, and can't roll Stealthy Stride unless his rider also has Stealthy Stride.
  • A mount can roll Stealthy Stride, and the result will cover both rider and mount.
  • The mount can roll Stealthy Stride, and the rider can roll concealment, possibly with a bonus of some sort, and the lower result is used for both.
Does that seem about right?

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2017-10-14T19:41:472017-10-14T19:41:47 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4042#p4042 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]>
If, when traveling through the wilderness, a group of characters is not making any
special efforts to avoid notice, the Difficulty Number for patrols, creatures, or other
characters to notice them is the lowest Dexterity Step of all characters in the group,
modified for visibility and other factors.

When approaching areas prone to conflict, known for being unfriendly to
outsiders, or for any number of other reasons, travelers may wish to avoid notice.
Moving through an area unobtrusively will reduce the chance the group will draw
unwanted attention, at the expense of taking more time. **Travel time is doubled**, but
the Difficulty Number for spotting the group increases to the highest Dexterity Step in
the group (with appropriate modifiers).

Stealthy Stride requires you to be going half-speed (equivalent to the above starred section). In my games this means that the difficulty to spot them while at half speed would either be the higher of their 2 Dex steps, or the Test result of a single roll (PC choice). So, they can either go with the higher Dex step (a sure thing) or gamble it with one roll (rolling low sets the difficulty to notice the pair low - no rerolls).

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2017-10-14T15:40:212017-10-14T15:40:21 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4041#p4041 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]> Are you saying you would allow someone to hide perfectly with out a test if they weren't moving? Because I wouldn't, I would allow a bonus for being in a well chosen location holding still etc. (per rules 165ED4GM -3 to +4 depending on concealment & others for general environment).

Being stealthy isn't just about not stepping on leaves or twigs. It is also about timing your movements, your breathing, knowing where someone might be looking, making sure your things on your body don't make noise, etc.

Also being on a mount, means you are interacting with the saddle/tackle (normally). Also, unless you are allowing the mount complete anonymity on where it goes, your knowledge of where to best move would become important. You would need to know when to have it move/not move, where to move, etc.

now related to the rules (162-165 ED4GM)-> a hidden target (which I read as still or concealed if moving) -> typical difficulty: targets' dex step
and it would be modified by the target's concealment/etc.
So an untrained person that finds a location that completely conceals them, would be dex step + 4.

Myself, I would have either both the rider and mount roll... or just the lower of the two roll, because who ever is worse would be the limiting factor.

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2017-10-14T10:53:112017-10-14T10:53:11 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4038#p4038 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]> Jason, Are you suggesting that a person standing in a corner needs to make the same test as somebody moving without any bonuses or penalties?
I mean a Stealthy stride test takes as it's baseline that you are moving at up to half your movement rate. Somebody sitting upon the saddle of a creature that was slowly and gently moving should not have to make a stealthy stride test, because he is not striding. And if he does have to make "sit quietly" test, it should have some huge bonuses over a "move quietly" test.

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2017-10-11T12:54:362017-10-11T12:54:36 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4013#p4013 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]>
How would you check to see how stealthy I stood in the corner of a room? (Stealthy Stride, correct)
How would a mount make you suddenly more stealthy then you would be standing still (and if the mount is moving, you are too)?

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2017-10-11T11:38:232017-10-11T11:38:23 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&p=4012#p4012 <![CDATA[Re: Mounts with Stealthy Stride]]> Statistics:Posted by Slimcreeper — Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:38 am


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