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Statistics:Posted by yankeeschic — Sun May 25, 2025 9:08 am
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Seems like you might be asking two different questions. How much does it cost to BUILD a kaer, and how much does it cost to, I dunno, RESTART, a kaer.
BUILDING a kaer is in no way cheap. Something like dozens of villages, probably one or two towns, all had to come together to afford a shared kaer, and that was with selling friends and family into slavery to the Therans. Ardanyan (not really a spoiler here) was an anomaly as a single town able to afford their very own kaer, without selling people into slavery as well, because of the huge stash of True Earth they found. I believe that's the only real information that's provided. If you're trying to turn that into monies, I'd still put it at 100,000s of gold (plus all the slaves), mainly because a Journeyman Adept can start amassing 1,000s fairly easily.
RESTARTING/REPAIRING is relaly gonna depend on why you have a kaer in the first place. The kaer remained unbreached, the people left and forgot about it? Probably just need to clear it out, refresh any of the wards (which should be in good shape, just dormant), and you're done. Kaer failed in some way? You might be better off leaving it abandoned. You have to figure out exactly WHY it failed in the first place (which is likely a daunting task) and then either repair or replace it, which is likely something that would require a Warden+ of the associated Discipline (probably one of the magicians, depending on the broken thing).
Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:57 am
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(Summary) All of the trading houses of Throal have the equivalent of standing "private" armies, and many hold bands of adventuring adepts on retainer (known as "b'jados", literal translation "trading house heroes"). Average pay for a b'jados is 200 silver per month per Circle, most also receiving upt to a 10% discount on goods purchased through the affiliated house. Regular employees are known as "j'havim".
Statistics:Posted by Telarus — Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:46 pm
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I have a kaer, I thought about cedaver men as a labour force but still have to activate old wards and provide air and water for about 10-15 Namegivers.
So... to get it running I would need a Warden elementalist. Time to make some friends...
I don't need to prepare it for Scourge. Just to make it harder for enemies to find
Statistics:Posted by Kosmit — Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:40 am
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Either way - I haven't done the math, but it does seem like with the given supply and demand the cost of forging is artificially low. It's like they want every windling to have a death splinter.
Statistics:Posted by Slimcreeper — Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:59 am
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As for Forging, i agree it does seem rather low. Eyeballing it, i'd say that if you make Forging take five days with a base cost 100 silver per rank, then the earnings would be pretty fitting for a rare and highly sought out expert doing low risk labour.
Statistics:Posted by Lys — Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:22 am
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That being said, I'm also down with the idea that Weaponsmiths are underpaid for Forge. If you try to do the math on how low likely access to Weaponsmiths are, especially as the Circles increase, and compare it to how many people would likely want to have Forged material, you see a significant problem. Essentially, there would just be way too much demand for Forge access to supply. Likely, the limiting factor would be on people not willing to wait the 6+ month backlog out.
ON TOPIC: On the kaer side, I don't have the numbers, but I seem to remember the Revenge of Ardanyan giving some better information on likely costs of construction and population size.
Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:02 am
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Do you have a citation for that? I'm very curious. I can only think of two good gauges for Adept monetary "worthy", that I've come across. The big one is Sustained Action cost, which is 50 silver per Rank but for an action that usually takes a week. Rounding that, and it's essentially 10 silver / Circle / day. The other are caravan related - either hired on as accompaniment or "waved" fees when serving as defense. Both of those are just on the order of 20-25 silver / day, regardless of silver. 200 silver / Circle / day, especially for "basic" duties, seems very liberal. Most of the for-hire style paid adventures I've seen are usually something on the order of 200-300 silver / Circle for the duration, not the day. Given that the foray is often a week or two, that still tears down to 15 - 20 silver / Circle / day.Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:40 pm
The Trading Companies of Throal pay their adepts 200 sp per Circle per Week for basic duties. That's what I always use for Adept pay scales.Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:11 am
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Wow! We've always paid a silver a day + room and board.Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:40 pm
The Trading Companies of Throal pay their adepts 200 sp per Circle per Week for basic duties. That's what I always use for Adept pay scales.Statistics:Posted by etherial — Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:47 pm
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We calculated cost of building good magic circle for my elementalist with essence. Plan was like (if my memory is good) 2m radius, 1 mm deep into ground and lane would be 1 cm thick. Cost of creating something like that is more or less 5000 sp.
Covering walls + creating good defenses at the gate + even temporary portal to air plane is far from possibilities of 1 adept of pre-legendary circle.
Edit: If you have ready abandoned kaer probably no one was so crazy to extract essence from the walls so only preparing gates + air conditioning is at range of warden adept.
Edit 2: I saw somewhere that amount of money should be around 3x LP of the character. Its hilarious and just wrong for me - Circle 8 character ~150.000 LP could possibly buy few Legendary items for that and still have money for training, potions etc... In our group money we get for 2-3 sessions for group of 5-9 circle group is around 500-1000 sp. We are really poor...
Statistics:Posted by Dyrmagnos — Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:41 am
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To hire magicians to put and maintain wards?
Is there any source in the web that cover this area?
I've found an abandoned kaer and would like to run a school of nethermancers in there along with my laboratory. I've already closed all exits and put my Bone Circle to Gateway in/out. But for more serious experiments I would like to have some magical privacy... And I wonder if it is possible with my character's current funds...
Statistics:Posted by Kosmit — Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:02 am
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