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Slimcreeper wrote: ↑
Fri May 26, 2017 2:28 pm
Doug, that's a great idea. There are a lot of things here with subtly different names and the terminology is confusing.
Thanks.
I've been playing this game since ED1. I know what this stuff is, and I still get confused reading the rules on it.

I'm reminded of the Order of the Stick comic where they pointed out all the uses of the word "Level" in D&D.

Statistics:Posted by Dougansf — Fri May 26, 2017 8:04 pm

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etherial wrote: ↑
Thu May 25, 2017 1:14 pm

Presumably the Unweaving Knacks would allow you to choose a new ability if you rewove the Threads.
Yeah, because at that point it's a "new" thread.

Statistics:Posted by Mataxes — Fri May 26, 2017 12:29 am

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PiXeL01 wrote: ↑
Thu May 25, 2017 9:37 am
It gets confusing because the words "Thread" and "rank" are used so often
Also "Pattern."

I've started referring to Pattern Items as Talismans to help teach new players.

Statistics:Posted by Dougansf — Thu May 25, 2017 7:15 pm

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Mataxes wrote: ↑
Thu May 25, 2017 1:06 pm
You also can't change the abilities affected by the thread when you increase it.

If you choose Physical Defense, Mystic Defense, and Durability when you first weave the thread (at rank 1), those same abilities are affected when you increase the thread to rank 2.

(At least, as written. I've never encountered a house rule that allows you to change, doesn't mean somebody hasn't done it.)
Presumably the Unweaving Knacks would allow you to choose a new ability if you rewove the Threads.

Statistics:Posted by etherial — Thu May 25, 2017 1:14 pm

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If you choose Physical Defense, Mystic Defense, and Durability when you first weave the thread (at rank 1), those same abilities are affected when you increase the thread to rank 2.

(At least, as written. I've never encountered a house rule that allows you to change, doesn't mean somebody hasn't done it.)

Statistics:Posted by Mataxes — Thu May 25, 2017 1:06 pm

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RazanMG wrote: ↑
Thu May 25, 2017 11:11 am
All ok.
Plus, those three abilities incresement only work when you interact with that True Pattern which Major pattern item you have.
Brilliant!

Thank you all very much!

Statistics:Posted by Jaracove — Thu May 25, 2017 12:01 pm

]]> 2017-05-25T11:11:132017-05-25T11:11:13 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=273&p=2442#p2442 <![CDATA[Re: Key Knowledges]]> Plus, those three abilities incresement only work when you interact with that True Pattern which Major pattern item you have.

Statistics:Posted by RazanMG — Thu May 25, 2017 11:11 am

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Just so I know I have this correct, can someone check this for me please (I've reworded it slightly and added some details):

You have Thread Weaving at +4 and you successfully weave one thread to a Major Pattern Item.

You find an item, and discover its key knowledge, pay 100 LP for Rank 1 (price is equal to Novice grade talents) and then roll a Thread Weaving check of a difficulty of 8 (see page 225).

You succeed, and so you have weaved a Rank 1 Thread to the item and 3 abilities affected by the Thread receive a +1 bonus.

Next you want to upgrade your Thread, so you meditate and pay 200 legend points and attempt another test, this time you'll need to roll 9. Up to 3 abilities affected by the Thread receive a +2 bonus.

The bonuses are not tied to the Thread Weaving talent, except to determine limitations, meaning, you can only have a number of active threads equal to your talent rank and none of these threads can exceed your talent's rank either. So if your character has a Thread Weaving Rank of 4, you can have four active threads each maximum at a rank of 4.

Because the pattern item is a Major Pattern Item, you can only increase up to 3 abilities up to a maximum of Rank 9 (i.e. a +9 bonus) and you have to increase these bonuses one at a time.

Is that it?

Statistics:Posted by Jaracove — Thu May 25, 2017 10:02 am

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You find an item, discover usually via Research its key knowledge, pay the legend points equal to 100 for Rank 1 (price is equal to Novice grade talents) and then roll a Thread Weaving check of a difficulty of 8.
If you succeed that test you have weaved a Rank 1 Thread to the item and all those abilities affected by the Thread receive a +1 bonus.

Next you want to upgrade your Thread, so you meditate and pay 200 legend points and attempt another test, this time you'll need to roll 9.

You have buy each step and pass a test for each step.

The bonuses are not tied to the Thread Weaving talent except to determine limitations ( you face only have a number of active threads equal to your talent rank and none of these threads can exceed your talent's rank either - so if your character have a Thread Weaving Rank of 4, you can have four active threads each maximum at a rank of 4.
It gets confusing because the words "Thread" and "rank" are used so often

Statistics:Posted by PiXeL01 — Thu May 25, 2017 9:37 am

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PiXeL01 wrote: ↑
Thu May 25, 2017 8:07 am
You get a bonus to those abilities equal to the Rank of the Thread tied to the item, not your talent rank.
What specifically is this "thread tied to the item"?

Page 230-231
"Kira weaves a Rank 2 thread... This thread increases her Melee Weapons talent by 2 Ranks when interacting with Larren...."

"Rensil weaves a Rank 3 thread...increasing the rating +3 whenever he is interacting with the enemy magician..."

"When increasing multiple abilities, all attached abilities are increased by the thread’s Rank"

I ask because the first two examples both give a bonus equal to the character's Thread Weaving talent.

Or are you saying if I have Thread Weaving +3 and successfully weave a thread to a Major Pattern Item with 8 Ranks, I get +8?

Statistics:Posted by Jaracove — Thu May 25, 2017 8:49 am

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I choose to increase my Physical Defence, Mystic Armour, and Durability, and all of them get increased by 4 points - at the same time?

Statistics:Posted by Jaracove — Thu May 25, 2017 7:27 am

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