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Statistics:Posted by yankeeschic — Mon Jun 02, 2025 7:49 pm

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Statistics:Posted by yankeeschic — Sat May 24, 2025 9:05 pm

]]> 2018-07-27T22:48:562018-07-27T22:48:56 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=7099#p7099 <![CDATA[Re: Illusionist Fog of Jeer spell - some questions]]> The Fog of Fear allows a Nethermancer to attack multiple targets with the Frighten talent, which attaches negatives to all actions for Frighten rank rounds.
Seems weird to not just translate the spell like was done with all the other copycat spells you mention. Instead of some difficult to rule multiple effect rage mechanic, Fog of Jeer seems like a natural fit to enhance the Taunt talent the same way Fog of Fear enhances Frighten. Also, it would put the spell on the same usefulness as Fog of Fear in that it would allow the caster to *choose* targets.

Was it the multiple Strain cost that prompted the change? The increased possible effect? Seems like those balance each other out pretty well.

Statistics:Posted by True Neutral — Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:48 pm

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True Neutral wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:09 pm
The whole fog of images honestly sounds more like a Nethermancer spell effect.
That's part of the point -- look at the Nethermancer spell "Fog of Fear", as well as a couple of other Illusionist spells that are illusory versions of spells from other Disciplines (e.g., Phantom Fireball).

Statistics:Posted by Mataxes — Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:37 pm

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Along those lines, what about Illusionist spells that work in the opposite way, instead of convincing others something false is true, what about convincing targets that something true is false?

Liar, Liar - Convinces target that a second target is untrustworthy.
False Sensing - Convinces target that some normal object is illusionary.

Statistics:Posted by True Neutral — Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:12 pm

]]> 2017-02-24T21:56:012017-02-24T21:56:01 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=1769#p1769 <![CDATA[Re: Illusionist Fog of Jeer spell - some questions]]>
I haven't seen any information about what a character who has identified an illusion has to do in order to convince others.
Is it that they see a specific flaw that they can point out, or because they see through the illusion can they see how it and other characters are compensating for it?
Is this a free action? If someone succeeds in a Sensing test in Initiative 12, do they have time to convince their friend who is acting next in 11?
Do they need to be in a certain proximity?
How much does the other Namegiver need to trust them?
How much do illusions rely not on just short-circuited sensory information but also altered mental states? Fog of Jeer seems like it has to because the voices taunting the target are described specificaly as figments, something the target knows isn't real, but they are affected by them nonetheless. Seems like it would make much more sense if it was just an area effect where the caster can use their Taunt talent as a simple action, similar to the Nethermancer's Death's Head.

Statistics:Posted by True Neutral — Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:56 pm

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Telarus wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:19 am
"...when actively working with them to demonstrate it's nature" seems the key phrase to me. Its not "explain" it's nature, it's "demonstrate" (resisting a knockdown after damage is taken, walking through it, etc). IMO, of course.
I'm totally down with this. I couldn't remember the actually wording from the book but knew it was more than "have a suspicion that it is an illusion" (which is the category I'd place code words in). I'm personally of the opinion that "demonstration" is something that would generally fall into Standard Action level of involvement: passing your sword through something, stepping through a wall in a deliberate manner, etc.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:32 am

]]> 2017-02-24T09:19:592017-02-24T09:19:59 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=1766#p1766 <![CDATA[Re: Illusionist Fog of Jeer spell - some questions]]> for that person. At this point, I'm of the opinion that the +5 bonus does require another character that has detected an illusion "as-an-illusion" to help you some-how to push past the mind-clouding magic. "...when actively working with them to demonstrate it's nature" seems the key phrase to me. Its not "explain" it's nature, it's "demonstrate" (resisting a knockdown after damage is taken, walking through it, etc). IMO, of course.

Statistics:Posted by Telarus — Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:19 am

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Bonus thought: if magicians start screaming "itch biscuit" when casting spells, I'd give enemies a bonus to Sensing, too - OBVIOUSLY something is weird

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:16 am

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Once you know it's an illusion, it no longer has power over you.

And I still can't think of a better way to know it's an illusion than to have been the one who cast the spell.

Statistics:Posted by Tattered Rags — Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:49 am

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If you cast on someone spell giving bonus to attack, and suddenly target changes mind and starts attacking you, your own illusion will still affect you (the one with att bonus), but at least you know its an illusion (+5 sensing bonus).

Sometimes you/your character will know its an illusion because you're not the target of illusion, sometimes will not, and sometimes you will know its an illusion but your mind wont listen to reason.

Many times someones mind wont listen to reason.

Statistics:Posted by RazanMG — Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:18 am

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The question is, and each table decides on an answer best for them, is casting the spell enough for the Illusionist to know the truth?

I would say in most cases that one must know the truth to create a convincing lie. Fun with Doors, Monstrous Mantle, if I cast these things I know they are fake, because I crafted them, I wrote the story, created the fiction. I am intimately involved with the twists and contortions that are bending the fabric of truth into this lie for others to believe. My own illusions cannot tell me they are true because I wrote their secrets.

Now, your illusions are clearly true. I have no doubt about that.

Statistics:Posted by Tattered Rags — Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:25 am

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