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Tellim-Tor wrote: ↑
Maybe its obvios or Not, i am No native speaker regarding english. So If i Had blamed someone i am sorry about that.
I think it also helps you to understand this matter, if you know that Panda wrote that book. So if he talks about what is intended, there is usually not much room for interpretation Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:43 pm
I dont want to offend anyone, Just want to bei Sure i Understand everything. Maybe its obvios or Not, i am No native speaker regarding english. So If i Had blamed someone i am sorry about that.
Statistics:Posted by Aegharan — Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:24 pm
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Maybe its obvios or Not, i am No native speaker regarding english. So If i Had blamed someone i am sorry about that.
Statistics:Posted by Tellim-Tor — Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:43 pm
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A spell with "Range: Self" can only target the caster unless the caster has a way to change that range such the Fifth Circle Wizard Karma ability. The additional text regarding changing that Difficulty is present explcitly to address such an ability, where if cast on someone offensively it isn't just a static Difficulty.
This is not a bug, fault, or any other such thing, but a deliberate choice to address an existing ability within the context of how the spell works. Not addressing it and leaving the Difficulty as 6 would be a bug, unless it required a willing target. Then we get into a dumb argument about whether an inanimate object can be willing, or if it requires a willing target, can it target something other than the caster because otherwise why would it have to be willing if the caster is targeting themselves.
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Sharkforce wrote: ↑
My question is about this Statement regarding sunlight Spell.Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:29 pm
this spell (if you have a way to cast it on others) is not really any different; .I know the mechanics behind mystic defense. The sunlight Spell hast a range of self, and does also inklude the Passage about mystic defense.
I Just wanna be Sure that even with a Passage Like Cast on Other target vs mystic, a self range Spell cant be targeted on Others. Than i would consider IT as a Bug, or fault by Design.
Statistics:Posted by Tellim-Tor — Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:25 pm
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Tellim-Tor wrote: ↑
I mean i get the Intention of the Pack spells, but If a spell Like daylight should only ne Cast on self, why this Text? Why the confusing Illusion Part. Just say: the caster immits sunlight. Would be straight and simple, and of course the Wizards Special ability would still Work.
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the text is there because the difficulty of casting it on someone else should be greater than the difficulty of casting it on yourself. when you cast it on yourself, your mystic defense is not trying to stop the spell from happening. when you cast it on that thief who is trying to run away, their mystic defense is trying to stop the spell from happening. without that text, you could theoretically put the spell on something with a mystic defense of 50 and only need to beat a 6, completely bypassing their ability to resist magical effects.Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:02 pm
You are all Sure that a Shaman cant Cast a spell which contains the Passage :"If this spell is cast on a target other than the spellcaster, the Difficulty is the target’s mystic defense" in a other Person than himself?I mean i get the Intention of the Pack spells, but If a spell Like daylight should only ne Cast on self, why this Text? Why the confusing Illusion Part. Just say: the caster immits sunlight. Would be straight and simple, and of course the Wizards Special ability would still Work.
Thanks
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I mean i get the Intention of the Pack spells, but If a spell Like daylight should only ne Cast on self, why this Text? Why the confusing Illusion Part. Just say: the caster immits sunlight. Would be straight and simple, and of course the Wizards Special ability would still Work.
Thanks
TT
Statistics:Posted by Tellim-Tor — Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:02 pm
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Bonhumm wrote: ↑
'Illusions also fail to conceal the target, granting any onlookers a +20 bonus to associated Sensing tests'
Thus, in my opinion, I think the 'conceal' part is key here; the bonus would apply only to things that conceal (i.e. hide) a target. Thus I'd say the +20(!) bonus would apply against spells like like 'Nobody Here, 'Notice Not', 'Cloak' and possibly 'Innocent Activity', 'Phantom Warrior' and 'Displace Image, NOT other illusions like 'Monstrous Mantle' or 'Best Face'.
But even IF it applied to any illusions, lets not forget that the whole point of illusions are that you BELIEVE they are illusions. Even IF casting Sunlight on a target using Monstrous Mantle would give the +20 bonus.... why would you cast that spell on the target IF you have no reason to know or suspect that there is an illusion in effect?
nothing about the illusion forces you to believe it is not an illusion. you can still think that something is (or at least may be) an illusion and not be able to see through it, and use spells to help with that. in fact, there are a few spells in the illusionist spell list that are very specifically designed to help you see through illusions when you make sensing tests.Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:09 pm
The descriptions states:'Illusions also fail to conceal the target, granting any onlookers a +20 bonus to associated Sensing tests'
Thus, in my opinion, I think the 'conceal' part is key here; the bonus would apply only to things that conceal (i.e. hide) a target. Thus I'd say the +20(!) bonus would apply against spells like like 'Nobody Here, 'Notice Not', 'Cloak' and possibly 'Innocent Activity', 'Phantom Warrior' and 'Displace Image, NOT other illusions like 'Monstrous Mantle' or 'Best Face'.
But even IF it applied to any illusions, lets not forget that the whole point of illusions are that you BELIEVE they are illusions. Even IF casting Sunlight on a target using Monstrous Mantle would give the +20 bonus.... why would you cast that spell on the target IF you have no reason to know or suspect that there is an illusion in effect?
this spell (if you have a way to cast it on others) is not really any different; you think that wall might be an illusion, but your best efforts have not been able to reveal it as one. it feels real, so you can't just walk through it, and it looks real, so you can't see through it, but you have this spell that you can cast which you know makes it easier to see through an illusion, so you decide to use it.
even after using the spell, you could potentially still believe the wall is a (very convincing) illusion even if it doesn't let you see through it, for that matter. of course, it is also entirely possible that the wall you just got a step 30 or 40 sensing test against and didn't see through any illusion is still there for you because it is in fact a real wall, too; the spell doesn't tell you one way or the other, it just lets you *try* to see through any illusions that are there.
and incidentally, i'd say monstrous mantle probably is concealing the target, at least to some extent. the bonus to physical defence doesn't make much sense to me unless it is.
Statistics:Posted by Sharkforce — Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:29 pm
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'Illusions also fail to conceal the target, granting any onlookers a +20 bonus to associated Sensing tests'
Thus, in my opinion, I think the 'conceal' part is key here; the bonus would apply only to things that conceal (i.e. hide) a target. Thus I'd say the +20(!) bonus would apply against spells like like 'Nobody Here, 'Notice Not', 'Cloak' and possibly 'Innocent Activity', 'Phantom Warrior' and 'Displace Image, NOT other illusions like 'Monstrous Mantle' or 'Best Face'.
But even IF it applied to any illusions, lets not forget that the whole point of illusions are that you BELIEVE they are illusions. Even IF casting Sunlight on a target using Monstrous Mantle would give the +20 bonus.... why would you cast that spell on the target IF you have no reason to know or suspect that there is an illusion in effect?
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You're overthinking this and focusing too much on the ancillary Sensing effect. If the caster can't change the range from "Self" and doesn't have any illusions on them, it doesn't do anything.
Statistics:Posted by Panda — Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:03 pm
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So i can Cast it on a Wall, and If the Wall got an Illusion on it, i as an onlooker get the +20.
Or Casting it on an Illusionist with monstrous mantle, i get attack +20 for sensing purpose.
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Aegharan wrote: ↑
hmmm... yeah, looking closer, it only gives the bonus to things that try to conceal you. still, it might help with a spell like switch.Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:52 pm
@Sharkforce I'm not sure if I would go about it the same with Phantom Flame.. That would be VERY powerful FOR a third circle spell...Statistics:Posted by Sharkforce — Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:26 pm
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The sunlight spell makes you yourself emit sunlight. So much light that you are hard to miss at a distance. So much light, that your true position an hardly be hidden by spells like Displace Image or Notice Not.
@Sharkforce I'm not sure if I would go about it the same with Phantom Flame.. That would be VERY powerful FOR a third circle spell...
Statistics:Posted by Aegharan — Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:52 pm
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