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Statistics:Posted by yankeeschic — Sun May 25, 2025 5:01 am

]]> 2017-02-07T13:45:522017-02-07T13:45:52 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1397#p1397 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]>
The Undying wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:05 am
Mataxes wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:58 pm
He's probably referring to prior editions where it is called out that t'skrang can use their tails. (I don't think it's explicitly called out as such in ED4, as I'm not near my books, but I don't see any reason to prohibit it.)
Yeah, I could totally see t'skrang tail action here. However, if the intent was "someone can punch instead of kick when using Swift Kick," that should definitely not be a thing.
Found it (or pretty close)
ED4PG page 53 wrote:Tail Combat: T'skrang often make use of their tails when engaged in combat. A t'skrang can use his tail to whip at opponents in unarmed combat much like striking with an arm or kicking with a leg.

Statistics:Posted by Dougansf — Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:45 pm

]]> 2017-02-07T08:30:132017-02-07T08:30:13 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1394#p1394 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]> Statistics:Posted by CPFCPF — Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:30 am

]]> 2017-02-07T05:50:452017-02-07T05:50:45 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1389#p1389 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]>
Kosmit wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:20 am
For me swift kick was always about extra unarmed attack not a kick...
ED has always made a specific note that you have to fulfill the conditions to use a thing. The conditions for swift kick are pretty straightforward. You may not use them, but RAW, swift kick is most definitely an extra attack via a free leg and a kick (or tail, in case of 'tskrang). Does that matter 99% of the time? Probably not. BUT, if someone is entangled, I'm pretty sure they could not perform a swift kick as they have no free leg.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:50 am

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PiXeL01 wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:32 am
So in ED I believe full plate donning, body shield dragging casters are possible, since only strength is a problem.
The initiative penalties are also a limiting factor. You can't bring yourself below Step 1.

Statistics:Posted by Dougansf — Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:43 am

]]> 2017-02-07T03:52:382017-02-07T03:52:38 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1385#p1385 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]>
Seems fair to say that my group didn't feel too inhibited by preconceptions of what wizards should or should not wear. Though as i recall the Wizard's player did have to be gently reminded that armour is really nice to have when people are trying to hit you with sharp objects.

Statistics:Posted by Lys — Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:52 am

]]> 2017-02-07T03:32:592017-02-07T03:32:59 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1384#p1384 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]> I can only really name one system which says arm movements are not required and that's Shadowrun.
Here in ED none of spells descriptions I remember details movements which could not be done with a shield, let alone armor. So in ED I believe full plate donning, body shield dragging casters are possible, since only strength is a problem.

Statistics:Posted by PiXeL01 — Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:32 am

]]> 2017-02-07T03:20:052017-02-07T03:20:05 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1383#p1383 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]>
Lys wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:51 am
Really after considering it, what really seems weird to me that casters don't use shields more frequently.
Personally, I think a lot of it is baggage from other systems. In MANY (most) systems, magicians don't use armor, let alone shields - it is expressly stated that that is not allowed. ED makes no statement that magicians can't use armor, but no doubt, many tables have either not placed armor on their magicians as a silent preconceived notion ("my guy is a caster, guess no armor for me") or as a crippling table rule ("you're a magician, magicians don't wear armor, where have you ever seen magicians wearing armor in RPGs?!"). Shields are an extension to that, although we do have the one statement about "can only use one-handed weapons" and the resulting head-scratching of what relation that has to spellcasting, if any. The ED artwork doesn't help there, either - it definitely backs up the idea of magicians in flowing robes, fapping their hands about, REGARDLESS of whether armor & shield is a perfectly viable design space for magicians in the universe.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:20 am

]]> 2017-02-07T02:51:212017-02-07T02:51:21 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1382#p1382 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]>
The Undying wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:34 am
Shields are just in this weird half-world. The only thing it says is that "you can only use one-handed weapons." Spellcasting doesn't require ANY weapons, so we're good RAW, right? Eh, that's FEELS wonkity, but it FEELS wonkity in the same way that "unarmed fighting can be one-handed" rubs me the wrong way. You can use it when you're casting one-handed spells? Eh, that creates a book-keeping headache: was the last spell one or two handed; when does the shield start/stop taking effect with different spell handedness; etc.
The way i see it, using a shield while unarmed is wonky because restricting yourself to one hand is a serious detriment when fighting with your fists. Moreover, the restricted reach of bare hands or claws inhibits the usefulness of the shield. Without some kind of weapon in your hand, it's that much harder to reach past your own shield in order to attack the enemy, and so it tends to get in your way and inhibit your offence. Though that's only really true for the larger kinds of shields. Bucklers are small enough to not get in the way, so having one would be useful in a brawl. Hell a buckler in each hand is basically like having steel boxing gloves, sure it looks silly but it's also way better than being barehanded. Similarly i expect that buckler and claw would be a pretty good combination, not as good as a buckler and a real weapon, but better than not having something to defend with.

When it comes to casters using shields, honestly the more i think about it the more sense it makes to me. Usually the casters will be behind the main line fighters, which means that they're more likely to be attacked with missiles and spells. Crystal shields offer good protection against both, and most spells don't require the use of both hands, so there's little reason why the casters wouldn't use shields, other than not wanting to carry the weight. As for the book keeping, it seems like an easy thing to read the descriptions of each spell you have, and mark off the ones that requires two hands. There, now you know which spells you can't use with your shield. Really after considering it, what really seems weird to me that casters don't use shields more frequently. Like this!

Statistics:Posted by Lys — Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:51 am

]]> 2017-02-07T01:41:192017-02-07T01:41:19 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1381#p1381 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]> The reason I ask is that the Tail Attack entry states the damage can be modified by talents modifying unarmed damage, which Claw Shape does.
Also some T'Skrang have spiked tails. So could Claw Shape cause spikes to sprout from a t'skrang tail?

Statistics:Posted by PiXeL01 — Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:41 am

]]> 2017-02-07T01:34:172017-02-07T01:34:17 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1380#p1380 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]>
Shields are just in this weird half-world. The only thing it says is that "you can only use one-handed weapons." Spellcasting doesn't require ANY weapons, so we're good RAW, right? Eh, that's FEELS wonkity, but it FEELS wonkity in the same way that "unarmed fighting can be one-handed" rubs me the wrong way. You can use it when you're casting one-handed spells? Eh, that creates a book-keeping headache: was the last spell one or two handed; when does the shield start/stop taking effect with different spell handedness; etc.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:34 am

]]> 2017-02-07T01:28:382017-02-07T01:28:38 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1379#p1379 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]> Armor too. Dwarven War-casters are a sight to behold, and some of the worst enemies in my 1/2/3 ed campaigns were elven casters in faerie chainmail.

Come to think of it, I've always wanted to stat up that dang Illusionist martial-arts master (hold-thread, grapple, *POW*), but I would have to update the (True) Blazing Fists of Rage. And work out some other rules...

Statistics:Posted by Telarus — Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:28 am

]]> 2017-02-07T01:20:352017-02-07T01:20:35 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140&p=1376#p1376 <![CDATA[Re: Claw shape and shields]]>
Mataxes wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:06 am
I mean, as I've said before, do what you want, but there's no restriction per the rules.
I'm not trying to be obtuse, I'm honestly curious: does that mean that you would say there's no restriction per rules against using a shield with Spellcasting? Many spells are one-handed, so by the same logic, I don't see why a magician couldn't use a shield, especially since there's nothing in the rules restricting it.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:20 am

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