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Statistics:Posted by yankeeschic — Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:53 am
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Statistics:Posted by yankeeschic — Sun May 25, 2025 2:57 am
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Mataxes wrote: ↑
Totally agree. Explosive abnormally high results and pathetic results when you really need the ability tend to be the things that stick in our heads. Remember that time you scored a 48 on Melee Weapons with Step 15? DEFINITELY - totally need to nerf this Talent, hits are too strong! Remember that time you scored a 2 on Melee Weapons with Step 15 when your group was about to wipe? DEFINITELY - totally need to improve this Talent, it really needs to land! Now, remember the other 85% percent of the time when you score 13-18 with Step 15 and scored an average hit with average damage demonstrating that things are currently well balanced? ... ... ... I don't think that happened!! Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:35 am
It's also possible (and more likely) that fallible, selective, human memory recalls all those high rolls, but doesn't have a real sense of the overall results and probability distribution.
Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:02 am
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Kosmit wrote: ↑
Also my Nethermancer usually scores results around 30 with TW Step 18 + Karma, and more than 30 with Spellcasting Step 22 (PER 9, Spellcasting 7, 5 group pattern, 2 thread item).
7th Circle Nethermancer.
That first note is really splitting hairs. You are technically correct, it doesn't add to Step, and technically, it does average SLIGHTLY higher than an average of 4. However, maybe it's just me, but it is faster if someone tells me "Step 20" when comparing it to a difficulty 20 than "Step 16 plus Karma."Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:00 am
Karma Step doesn't add to overall Step.Also my Nethermancer usually scores results around 30 with TW Step 18 + Karma, and more than 30 with Spellcasting Step 22 (PER 9, Spellcasting 7, 5 group pattern, 2 thread item).
7th Circle Nethermancer.
As to your second note, the only way I can respond to that is you are either a statistical anomaly or your dice aren't properly weighted. The Step dice statistically achieve near their Step number more often than not and produce less outlying values statistically than other dice pool options. For you to "usually" score ~50% over the Step number, I'd venture to say you've got some misweighted dice.
[random bonus note: "misweighted" is not "loaded." Loaded dice are intentionally crafted to give desirably rolls. Misweighted dies have unintended imperfections that create an unnatural preference for the die. Finding one that prefers to land high value up is considered "lucky," not cheating.]
Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:25 am
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The Undying wrote: ↑
Karma Step doesn't add to overall Step.Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:56 am
Casting Bone Pudding in a single round using the two success idea would either require 6 successes in a Standard Matrix of 5 success in an Enhanced Matrix. I think someone who can get 5+ success on a roll should be rewarded. Bear in mind that, with a Weaving Difficulty of 11, we're talking about a result of 31 on a roll, which would be pretty impressive, even for a Circle 15 Adept (PER 8, Rank 15 Threadweaving, Karma Step 5 = Step 28).Also my Nethermancer usually scores results around 30 with TW Step 18 + Karma, and more than 30 with Spellcasting Step 22 (PER 9, Spellcasting 7, 5 group pattern, 2 thread item).
7th Circle Nethermancer.
Statistics:Posted by Kosmit — Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:00 am
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The Undying wrote: ↑
This also highlights my point about making an important decision.Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:56 am
Casting Bone Pudding in a single round using the two success idea would either require 6 successes in a Standard Matrix of 5 success in an Enhanced Matrix. I think someone who can get 5+ success on a roll should be rewarded. Bear in mind that, with a Weaving Difficulty of 11, we're talking about a result of 31 on a roll, which would be pretty impressive, even for a Circle 15 Adept (PER 8, Rank 15 Threadweaving, Karma Step 5 = Step 28).With the 2 Extra Successes after the base 4 Threads are woven, the Nethermancer could choose 2 Extra Threads to make the spell more powerful next round (for example: adding 2 wounds), or cast it at base effect right now.
Statistics:Posted by Dougansf — Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:54 pm
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Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:20 am
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The Undying wrote: ↑
We have to wait for this magic sourcebook I suppose Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:56 am
As to the comment about combat maneuvers, you are correct, this is not a combat maneuver, it is comparable to combat maneuvers. The fact that close/ranged combat got maneuvers and spell combat got ... nothing ... is a crying shame to me. It's about time they got some maneuvers.
Statistics:Posted by Kosmit — Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:15 am
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Casting Bone Pudding in a single round using the two success idea would either require 6 successes in a Standard Matrix of 5 success in an Enhanced Matrix. I think someone who can get 5+ success on a roll should be rewarded. Bear in mind that, with a Weaving Difficulty of 11, we're talking about a result of 31 on a roll, which would be pretty impressive, even for a Circle 15 Adept (PER 8, Rank 15 Threadweaving, Karma Step 5 = Step 28).
Plus, people like to trot out Bone Pudding as the holy grail of combat spells. I agree, it IS nasty - but it requires the Nethermancer eat something messy. Are most people saying that their Nethermancers run around with natto or congealed pudding in a squeeze tube hanging off their shoulder??
As to the comment about combat maneuvers, you are correct, this is not a combat maneuver, it is comparable to combat maneuvers. The fact that close/ranged combat got maneuvers and spell combat got ... nothing ... is a crying shame to me. It's about time they got some maneuvers.
Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:56 am
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If those successes count after weaving all threads (3 thread Spell requires 5 successes) I could agree it's not high.
And I am saying that as a mage player.
Casting bone pudding in one round would be a bit OP.
Statistics:Posted by Kosmit — Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:13 am
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Kosmit wrote: ↑
If you go back through the forums, you'll note pretty much everyone chimes in with two successes being their preferred cost. Two successes also fits in perfectly well with close/range combat maneuvers. Regardless, the point about earlier editions requiring higher successes for something that is now baked in is somewhat beside the point - it's baked in now, and if anything, that should suggest it was previously over-costed.Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:30 pm
Two successes is too low. In earler editions you needed extraordinary success to weave additional thread, here you have it by default.Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:49 pm
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Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:25 pm
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Lys wrote: ↑
This is what I'm considering for my group. Mainly because spell threadweaving is one of the few Talents that doesn't get a reward for extra successes.Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:20 am
One pretty simple way to ameliorate the Threadweaving tax is to simply let casters roll Threadweaving first, and then decide how many extra threads they're weaving. This way players can take advantage of good rolls to make their spells more powerful, or keep going despite bad ones.Though we haven't made it to 5th Circle yet, so there aren't many extra threads the magician could apply.
I also like the idea of 2 or 3 extra Successes allowing immediate casting. Which would lead to an important decision for the lucky caster.
Statistics:Posted by Dougansf — Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:22 pm
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