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Statistics:Posted by yankeeschic — Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:33 am

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Statistics:Posted by yankeeschic — Sun May 25, 2025 2:38 am

]]> 2017-01-27T11:56:452017-01-27T11:56:45 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112&p=1103#p1103 <![CDATA[Re: Astral Space, several questions]]>
etherial wrote:Astral-Sensitive Eye does not alter the eye. IT CONSUMES THE EYE.
This is strictly correct, but the point still stands. The resulting Blood charm provides SIGHT, which includes conventional sight ("the character’s normal vision through the gem is slightly cloudy") and astral sight. It also consumes an eye, which is exceptionally symbolic, if nothing more.
etherial wrote:Having literal eyes has never been a requirement for Astral Sight because blind folks seeing oogy magical stuff is really common in fantasy (Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, for example).
You are correct, there is no requirement. There is also no statement that eyes are not required. It's like saying that "a character lifts the door" doesn't require arms because it doesn't explicitly say it requires arms. What is the near 100% way that Namegivers lift things? With arms.

Lastly, "seeing" and "sensing" are different things. Let's take the horrible, horrible movie that was Daredevil as an example. He could not see, he never claimed to be able to see, but he could sense AS THOUGH HE COULD SEE. You see the same thing with echo-location: blind people/things are able to create an impression of their environment, which includes distance, but it is not SIGHT, they have no concept of color and other things that require visual acuity. Sight is a specific thing, perception is not.

So, it's entirely possible that sight was not intended as sight in the sense of eyes. However, they could have chosen much better words in that case.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:56 am

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The Undying wrote:More bolstering for Sight meaning SIGHT is the Astral-Sensitive Eye, found on page 416. This alters the eye, not another organ. Normal Sight out of the eye becomes cloudy but still functions, and "the eye allows him to see into Astral space as if he possessed the Astral Sight talent."
Astral-Sensitive Eye does not alter the eye. IT CONSUMES THE EYE. Having literal eyes has never been a requirement for Astral Sight because blind folks seeing oogy magical stuff is really common in fantasy (Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, for example).

Statistics:Posted by etherial — Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:42 am

]]> 2017-01-27T10:13:282017-01-27T10:13:28 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112&p=1100#p1100 <![CDATA[Re: Astral Space, several questions]]> SIGHT is the Astral-Sensitive Eye, found on page 416. This alters the eye, not another organ. Normal Sight out of the eye becomes cloudy but still functions, and "the eye allows him to see into Astral space as if he possessed the Astral Sight talent."

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:13 am

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Now, if you want to reinterpret it, go for it! Nothing says that Astral Sight can't be interpreted as Astral Perception where Adepts get a sense of the things around them versus SEEING what is around them. I could also see (haha) a natural, maybe low-rank Knack for each of these talents that changes it to "Perception" and allows sensing in forms other than sight.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:55 am

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PiXeL01 wrote:Hood probably should have been blindfold.
However I think you answered that question so it should be "no you cannot use Astral sight to see past a blindfold."
Excepting that Astral Sight makes no use of the eyes whatsoever. It works even if there are no eyes. so covering the eyes only will have no more effect than covering the chest does.
I was looking at your question before as "what can you see of a person whose face is covered" not "what can a person whose face is covered see" - however I would say the answer and reasons are the same.

So the questions become, what parts of his body can the adept use as the center point for his astral sight. The location of his eyes, his brain, or anywhere in his body? Does it vary from adept to adept and creature to creature? Might some see out of the center of their forehead (the mystical 3rd eye) or from their spleen? Is it always the same place that you discover and cover? Can some adepts more their sensing location around? The next question is how far outside of his own skin can an adept see through barriers such as his own clothing as if they were not there?

There is a huge amount of room here for a GM to make whatever ruling he feels like, but my own personal opinion would be that covering the eyes only would do no good at all, since most adepts astral sight can see out of any side of the head they chooses to focus the effect. So a hood might be better for the purpose than a simple blindfold. However I also feel that a simple hood would not be adequate. Once again, I always picture an aura as extending several cm out of ones skin, extending past most clothing and whatnot. I feel that probably a person ought to be able to astral sight out of any part of their heads (at least) aura. So seeing out of a hood yes, out of a well placed basket, probably not.

Again, lots of scope for GM interpretation here.

Statistics:Posted by ChrisDDickey — Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:13 am

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Correct. Lifesight does fill that roll now, though.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:43 am

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Many of your questions about "can an astral entity do X" are basically "why not - make one that can, just make sure it's balanced." Astral creatures are incredibly varied, and some are left over entities from when the barriers between realms was weak during the Scourge. So, something's may be able to, some may not; some may be do it one way, some another; some may be limited to doing it within X context, others Y.

Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:18 am

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Hood probably should have been blindfold.
However I think you answered that question so it should be "no you cannot use Astral sight to see past a blindfold."

Thank you again

Statistics:Posted by PiXeL01 — Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:21 am

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is the astral sight thread where most issues with astral sight were hashed out at length.
With more issues explored in the Etheral Darkness thread http://fasagames.com/archiveforum/viewt ... ight+chest

The short answer is that you can't see through objects, however a persons aura and/or pattern might be ruled to extend a few cm out from their skin. Most would allow you to study and recognize the pattern of a person clothed normally (ie face and hands uncovered but everything else covered). It seems reasonable to presume you can also study the aura and/or pattern of a person wearing a mask or one seen from behind.

You also specifically said "hood" and not mask. A hood that shadows your face from all physical light sources present will do nothing to shadow your aura or pattern which are lit by their own glow.

Statistics:Posted by ChrisDDickey — Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:35 am

]]> 2017-01-24T23:14:122017-01-24T23:14:12 https://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112&p=1023#p1023 <![CDATA[Astral Space, several questions]]> Yesterday I was trying to read up on the topic but could not find answers to all my questions. So I turn once again to you very knowledgeable and experienced people.

How do pure astral beings affect physical space? Can all such beings make themselves visible and communicate or are they stuck? (Despairthought at least can do this)

Can astral beings affect patterns as they are being woven? Are weaves and matrices visible to beings lurking around a caster making it possible to attack and disrupt spells before they are completed? (the Horror Taint seems to be able to do this or at least Mark)

Pure astral Horrors and marks: how do these beings mark Namegivers? Only via items and cursed places?

Are Adepts active on Astral Space during the moment they use Talents.

Can adepts using astral sight see through inanimate objects like hoods? ("Wireframe" or solid?)

Statistics:Posted by PiXeL01 — Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:14 pm

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