Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

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Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby riis1971 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:29 am

Do the bonus to attack from the talents work for the follow attack

Anticipate Blow
Melee
Unarmed
Missile
Spell (physical armor)

Maneuver
Melee
Unarmed

Can you use Anticipate Blow and Maneuver in the same round to get double bonus?

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Re: Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby Baravakar » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:08 am


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Re: Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby Mataxes » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:26 pm

Generally speaking, there are two cases where you cannot stack the effects of similar talents:

a) The rules say so (e.g. Acrobatic Defense and Anticipate Blow)
b) The talents both "substitute" for an attribute for a particular kind of test (e.g. Crushing Blow and Down Strike) -- also known as "Replacement Effects."

So yes, Anticipate Blow and Maneuver can stack.

Also, unless the text states otherwise, you can't stack the same talent with itself. Only the best result applies (see p. 119-120).
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Re: Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby riis1971 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:09 am

thx

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Re: Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby Notaure » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:27 pm

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Re: Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby freid78 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:00 pm

Claw shape doesn't substitute, but down strike and Crushing blow substitue. So basically, you can use Claw shape with Down strike, or with Crushing blow, but not both. Also, you cannot stack Down strike with Crushing blow on itself.

On that same line of thinking, you could use Shield bash with Crushing blow too. But not while adding Surprise attack (since it substitute). But you could make a Shield bash with a Surprise attack.

The best damage dealing combo would be with Charge.

Use Claw shape (or Shield bash with a lesser efficiency of -3) with Charge (ideally on a 12 step strength beast like a thundra beast) with Crushing blow (or Down strike, or Surprise attack). Result : Rank +3 + Rank + Str + Mount Str + Rank. Pretty massive if you ask me.

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Re: Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby Notaure » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:50 pm

ok, so if i understand correctly, in my exemple the final step will be:
rank + rank + str +3,
is it?
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Re: Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby Mataxes » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:02 pm

Claw Shape calls out its ability to allow damage enhancing talents specifically because it has been a question in the past. Looking back at earlier editions, none of them used the language indicating Claw Shape replaced anything:

ED1/ED2: "Make the Damage Test using the Claw Shape Step."
ED3: "...using his Claw Shape Step for Damage Tests..."

We think Beastmasters should be able to get a little bit of extra damage love, you know?
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Re: Anticipate Blow Vs. Maneuver

Postby Razan_GM » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:20 am



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