4E Shield Bash question

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4E Shield Bash question

Postby Sundahk » Sun May 24, 2015 10:54 pm

The 4E Talent 'Shield Bash' says:

"If the adept makes a successful close combat Attack test, he may make a Shield Bash test as a Damage test, with Physical Armor reducing the result."

Does this mean if you have a shield you can use Unarmed Combat as your Attack Test for Shield Bash? It's a close combat Attack Test.

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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

Postby Telarus_KSC » Sun May 24, 2015 11:07 pm

I would rule Melee Weapons (I'm more of the opinion that shields are weapons), but if it was with a bracer/cestus-style-gauntlet, or "targe" (scottish strapped to the fore-arm) round shield, or other attached shield, I would let the character use Unarmed Combat. This still takes an action/bonus-attack, so you could use Second Weapon, your first attack from Air Dance (if you have a bonus attack to follow up with), etc, etc.

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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

Postby Sundahk » Mon May 25, 2015 3:33 am


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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

Postby Dark Schneider » Mon May 25, 2015 4:22 am

Actually, since Shield Bash is listed as a Simple action, you can make one anytime you're in melee. Which means it wouldn't take a bonus attack like second weapon or any other talents that give a second attack to use this.

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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

Postby Gkeckley » Mon May 25, 2015 7:19 am

Actually shield bash is just a damage test which is why it is listed as a simple action. It must be used with an actual Attack action and the attack follows its rules as to what type of action it is. A melee attack would be a standard action, a second attack and second weapon would be simple actions but follow their rules, momentum Attack is a simple action but follows its rules etc... The point is it does require an attack action that you have available.

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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

Postby Gkeckley » Mon May 25, 2015 7:27 am

Looking at it further though Your interpretation does make sense as it is listed as a simple action whereas crushing blow, down strike, and surprise strike are listed as a free action. In previous editions crushing blow was considered a damage test. Maybe that has changed from previous editions or shield bash should be listed as a free action. Not sure which is the intent at this point.

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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

Postby Mataxes » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:22 pm

The adept must use an attack talent (Melee Weapon, Second Attack, etc) and hit the target.

He then uses Shield Bash as the damage test (the same way a Beastmaster uses Claw Shape for damage after a successful attack with Unarmed Combat).

The talent does not provide any kind of extra attack action on its own.

(As an addendum, the whole simple/free action thing is messed up and inconsistent.)
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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

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Re: 4E Shield Bash question

Postby Razan_GM » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:07 am

Ed3 was the same as Ed4. You bad powergamer :P


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