200 Universal Church sects/orders

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200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Newmarduk » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:30 pm

The Universal Church of the Celestial Sun is composed of five major sects/orders: Urth Orthodoxy, Eskatonics, Brother Battle, Avestites, and Amaltheans. Then you have the Obun-dominated Ven Lohji Church sect. The remaining 194 Church sects and orders are mainly composed of Hesychasts (mendicant monks).

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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Newmarduk » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:31 pm

I assume that some of the Hesychast sects have only one or two monasteries or communities.

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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Angelman » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:28 pm

It depends on what we mean by "sect". In FS, a "sect" seems to be a pretty large organization (i.e. an interstellar order each owning their own world), so by that standard there aren't any more sects. (Note, that the use of the word in FS is quite different from how it is used in real world religion studies and theology). You might count the Incarnates as sect of the Universal Faith, albeit an ostracized one (and they even have the support of the planet Iver). And then there are probably countless sub-sects, orders, and other variations, including the mendicants. Even the Urth Orthodoxy is divided into Mahayana and Hinayana schools.

What are you looking for with this (and the twin "100 Universal Church sectes") thread, Newmarduk? Are you looking for suggestions to new Unversal Church sub-groups? Or are you asking what the different canonical sub-groups are?
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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Newmarduk » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:08 pm

I'm trying to estimate the number of officially recognized sects within the Church of the Celestial Sun just in case I want to gamemaster a Fading Suns game.

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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Angelman » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:29 pm

Right. Well, there aren't to many officially recognized sects, beyond what we have already mentioned above. (Unless you cound holy orders and the various organizations within the Universal Church, like the Inquisition, Kalinthi, Syneculla, and such groups). You have the Red and White Priesthoods, although they are less theological schools, but practical application of piety (i.e. the Reds are ascetic, chaste, and more prestigious, while the Whites are more worldly, may take spouses, and have more social freedom). And then there are heresies within the Universal Faith, like the Preceptors. On Pyre there are the Lazarites and some Ukari Avestites who adapt the Temple Avesti veiws to fit their lives. There is also the Chorali, musicians who search for God in music.

There might be more, but I can't think of any right now.
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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Bogie » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:08 am

Are we using sect here to mean something as analogous to the Catholic orders as well? Franciscans and that sort of thing?
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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Angelman » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:18 am

The monastic orders are largely covered by the Hesychast umpbrella, although local variations are likely to be plentiful indeed. You also have monastic templar orders, like the Sword of Lextius, Order of Saint Yara, the Adamantine Order, and of course the Brother Battle.
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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Xandarth » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:46 pm

In addition the Urth Orthodox, Eskatonics and Avestites; the Emperor of the Fading Suns also had Sanctuary Aeon and the Incarnates.

Did either order actually make it into the RPG or is now the perfect time for someone to make them up?

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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Angelman » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:56 pm

Yes, both of those exist in FS :) The "big five" sects are Urth Orthodoxy, Eskatonic Order, Temple Avesti, Sancturay Aeon, and Brother Battle. The Incarnates are one of the major heresy sects :)
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Re: 200 Universal Church sects/orders

Postby Leviathan of Maddoc » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:09 pm

Given how minor the schisms are that have caused excommunication of the Incarnates and other faiths my guess is that the 194 others are Orthodoxy with a new brand label and if anything they are tighter in their dogma. They're also incredibly small. If we haven't heard about their fleet or the planets with their Cathedral then they're probably remote abbeys or monasteries under the protection of powerful nobles.


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