pain

[earcaraxe]

Lets suppose A casts a pain spell on B on the first round successfully making his spellcasting test. In the second round A fails his effect test to maintain the spell. Can B act in the second turn?

[arma]

Yes.
(Didn't we just have a large Pain thread around here somewhere, or discussed this in another thread? Anybody who finds it can maybe post a link.)

[galafrone]

i think it was on the old forums maybe ? the one that was also mixed with initiative problems tied to the low ini of nethermancers and such

[arma]

That's the one. Was that on the old forums?

[earcaraxe]

[arma]

You'll do everything as normal (B announces actions, rolls initiative, etc.) and only once A succeeds, B can't do anything any more. The spell alone has no effect on initiative or changing actions.
Note A also makes his Effect Test on his Initiative, so B might get to do all his stuff before Pain can even take effect. That's the initiative issue galafrone was talking about. If B is faster, the best thing Pain does for A is preventing B from taking defensive Action (Avoid Blow etc.). Also note A can opt out of making the Effect Test (because it uses his Standard Action as a concentration type spell), and can resume making the effect test in another round when he is faster.

[earcaraxe]

omg!!! until now we played it so B cannot take any actions until A fails an effect test. it was so powerful many thanks!

do i understand correctly that if A fails once, that doesnt end the spell, and next round A can make an effect test again?

[Mataxes]

Yes, as long as A uses their standard action to do so.

[arma]

[earcaraxe]