Deceit Vs Insight

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Deceit Vs Insight

Postby Sundahk » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:55 pm

In the 3rd Edition Gamemaster's Guide it has two different mechanics for deception:

1. Deceit: Char trying to deceive rolls Charisma vs Target's Social Defense
2. Insight (Detect Deception): Char trying to detect if she is being deceived rolls Charisma vs Target's Social Defense

How does this work? Seems like one of these is a bit redundant. Which one of these do you fellow EDers use? Or do you use both somehow?

I was thinking of houseruling it so it plays more like a Charisma attack and parry scenario.

Example: Joro the scumbag Thief is trying to convince a guard in Throal that he is a Dwarf noble. Joro rolls his Charisma against the guard's Social Defense (Joro is a attempting a Fabrication so he needs a Good success). Joro gets an Excellent Success However the guard is always looking for people trying to fool their way past, so he makes an Insight: Detect Deception Test against Joro's roll. If the guard beats Joro's roll, he realises the thief is really a scumbag.

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Re: Deceit Vs Insight

Postby Slimcreeper » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:19 am

Player characters always make the roll (deceit if they are lying, insight if they are lied to).

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Re: Deceit Vs Insight

Postby Sundahk » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:57 am


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Re: Deceit Vs Insight

Postby Slimcreeper » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:49 pm

Oh, that was just my ruling. Don't remember if it was in the book! I am not an authority!


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