Knacks as skills
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:32 pm
Finally decided to sit down and figure out how knacks works in 4ED and I'm a bit confused how the (few) Knacks that can be taken as Skill actually works.
First, is the following correct?
1a- If (only if) a Knack says 'Skill Use: Yes' can the Knack be learned as a Skill.
2a- The Requirements (minimum Talent levels and others) and Restrictions do not apply (although I could not find any 'Skillable' Knacks with actual Restrictions).
3a- Contrary to 'real' Talent Knacks, a Knack learned as a Skill do not 'level up' alongside the Talent itself and thus Legend Points need to be spent to improve it just like any other skill.
Secondly; since there is no Requirements to learn (some) Knacks as skills, would this mean that those Knacks are available at character creation, using the usual 8 free skill points we get?
Thirdly; What about the Legend Points cost to purchase a Knack as Skill? The Companion do not address that at all so I would assume it would be the same cost as the 'real' Talent Knacks (i.e. the same as a Novice talent of the required Rank) but I'd like confirmation since, well, there IS no 'required Rank' to learn it as Skill.
Finally; what about the cost in Legend Points for PROGRESSION? Is see two possibilities:
1b- Although purchasing the Knack at Rank 1 is a lot more expensive that purchasing a 'usual' skill at Rank 1, the next Ranks cost the usual cost of advancing a skill (i.e Rank2 would cost 300 LP for a Novice Knack)
2b- The Legend Point cost 'continues' from the where the cost of purchasing it at Rank 1 began. In other words; if it cost the equivalent of a Novice Talent at Rank 8 to purchase the Knack at Rank 1, improving the Skill at Rank two would cost the equivalent of a Rank 9.
Option '2' seems very mean but then again, getting a Knack as skill without any of the Requirements is kinda OP too.
Your thoughts?
First, is the following correct?
1a- If (only if) a Knack says 'Skill Use: Yes' can the Knack be learned as a Skill.
2a- The Requirements (minimum Talent levels and others) and Restrictions do not apply (although I could not find any 'Skillable' Knacks with actual Restrictions).
3a- Contrary to 'real' Talent Knacks, a Knack learned as a Skill do not 'level up' alongside the Talent itself and thus Legend Points need to be spent to improve it just like any other skill.
Secondly; since there is no Requirements to learn (some) Knacks as skills, would this mean that those Knacks are available at character creation, using the usual 8 free skill points we get?
Thirdly; What about the Legend Points cost to purchase a Knack as Skill? The Companion do not address that at all so I would assume it would be the same cost as the 'real' Talent Knacks (i.e. the same as a Novice talent of the required Rank) but I'd like confirmation since, well, there IS no 'required Rank' to learn it as Skill.
Finally; what about the cost in Legend Points for PROGRESSION? Is see two possibilities:
1b- Although purchasing the Knack at Rank 1 is a lot more expensive that purchasing a 'usual' skill at Rank 1, the next Ranks cost the usual cost of advancing a skill (i.e Rank2 would cost 300 LP for a Novice Knack)
2b- The Legend Point cost 'continues' from the where the cost of purchasing it at Rank 1 began. In other words; if it cost the equivalent of a Novice Talent at Rank 8 to purchase the Knack at Rank 1, improving the Skill at Rank two would cost the equivalent of a Rank 9.
Option '2' seems very mean but then again, getting a Knack as skill without any of the Requirements is kinda OP too.
Your thoughts?