Patient Maneuver, Companion p. 98 wrote:This knack is announced prior to determining Initiative and uses the adept’s Standard Action for the round. After announcing the knack, the adept makes a Patient Maneuver test and replaces their Physical Defense with the result until the end of the round.
Combat Options, Player's Guide p. 382 wrote:If a player wants to use a combat option he must declare it before he makes his Initiative test.
Both are announced at the same time, before Initiative is determined. Patient Maneuver replaces your Physical Defense, Defensive Stance adds to it - so the timing of which one is executed first is the issue. Opinions?Defensive Stance, Player's Guide p. 384 wrote:The character adds +3 to his Physical and Mystic Defense for all attacks directed against him that round [...]
And what about other Talents or effects that modify Physical Defense later during the round after Patient Maneuver is used?