Mataxes wrote: ↑
Soon, though.
Tease. Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:54 am
It's actually kind of interesting that this discussion came up... for reasons I can't get into just yet.Soon, though.
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I can kind of see it going either way, and decided that we would keep the way it had been in ED3 (which did the same thing). Legend costs have always been based on the Circle the talent was acquired at. If it's a Circle 5 talent, it costs the same as other Circle 5-8 talents. Even if a Discipline has the potential to learn it sooner, this adept chose to do so at Circle 5 (or whatever).
I don't really think it's a problem? If a player wants to pick up a fifth Novice-tier option rather than dive into the nifty new Journeyman options that are suddenly available...? It's a bit weird, but probably uncommon enough that I'm not going to lose sleep over it. (I lose sleep over plenty as it is.)
It's actually kind of interesting that this discussion came up... for reasons I can't get into just yet.
Soon, though.
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LouP wrote: ↑
I think that is an entirely reasonable House Rule.Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:51 pm
i can get behind this point of view, but I still think the cost should be based on the level (Novice, etc.) at which the talent becomes available. Isn't that even simpler?Statistics:Posted by etherial — Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:55 pm
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i can get behind this point of view, but I still think the cost should be based on the level (Novice, etc.) at which the talent becomes available. Isn't that even simpler?Aegharan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:06 amThe brown Belt still has to learn the same steps and movements, but his increased Knowledge and experience makes it easier for him.LouP wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:02 pm
Fair enough (about not listing talents twice - which is a Good Thing (TM)), but what is the rationale for the increased cost? This also makes no sense to me. If the cost needs to change (and I don't see why it does) I would think the cost should be lower. As the adept gains experience, learning "lower level" abilities should be easier, not harder. To use a karate metaphor, learning a technique traditionally taught at Orange belt is almost always going to be easier for for a Brown belt student vs. an Orange belt student.
Take Care,
Lou Prosperi
A 6th circle Adept who learns a Talent for a novice slot still has to spend the same Legend points, but going on an adventure might give him 6000 LP, while the 2nd circle character might get 800, so the cost is the same, the relative cost is far lower, which fits your example well.
Re: Learning a Talent Option later
I think I Read in the PHB that this requires the same as Learning a Talent through Versatility. Is that the optional rule etherial mentioned?
Take Care,
Lou
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Aegharan wrote: ↑
I think I Read in the PHB that this requires the same as Learning a Talent through Versatility. Is that the optional rule etherial mentioned?
Yes.Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:06 am
Re: Learning a Talent Option laterI think I Read in the PHB that this requires the same as Learning a Talent through Versatility. Is that the optional rule etherial mentioned?
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LouP wrote: ↑
Fair enough (about not listing talents twice - which is a Good Thing (TM)), but what is the rationale for the increased cost? This also makes no sense to me. If the cost needs to change (and I don't see why it does) I would think the cost should be lower. As the adept gains experience, learning "lower level" abilities should be easier, not harder. To use a karate metaphor, learning a technique traditionally taught at Orange belt is almost always going to be easier for for a Brown belt student vs. an Orange belt student.
Take Care,
Lou Prosperi
The brown Belt still has to learn the same steps and movements, but his increased Knowledge and experience makes it easier for him. Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:02 pm
Fair enough (about not listing talents twice - which is a Good Thing (TM)), but what is the rationale for the increased cost? This also makes no sense to me. If the cost needs to change (and I don't see why it does) I would think the cost should be lower. As the adept gains experience, learning "lower level" abilities should be easier, not harder. To use a karate metaphor, learning a technique traditionally taught at Orange belt is almost always going to be easier for for a Brown belt student vs. an Orange belt student.
Take Care,
Lou Prosperi
A 6th circle Adept who learns a Talent for a novice slot still has to spend the same Legend points, but going on an adventure might give him 6000 LP, while the 2nd circle character might get 800, so the cost is the same, the relative cost is far lower, which fits your example well.
Re: Learning a Talent Option later
I think I Read in the PHB that this requires the same as Learning a Talent through Versatility. Is that the optional rule etherial mentioned?
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LouP wrote: ↑
The way I see this is it has not been ruled for realism but rather for game balance and simplicity. I know it sounds ironic to say "simplicity" on a rule that spawned two pages of comments. But the goal is to make every talents costs the same for a said tier of circle. Also, that keeps the cost constant with all the previous editions.Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:02 pm
Fair enough (about not listing talents twice - which is a Good Thing (TM)), but what is the rationale for the increased cost? This also makes no sense to me. If the cost needs to change (and I don't see why it does) I would think the cost should be lower. As the adept gains experience, learning "lower level" abilities should be easier, not harder. To use a karate metaphor, learning a technique traditionally taught at Orange belt is almost always going to be easier for for a Brown belt student vs. an Orange belt student.Statistics:Posted by Spader — Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:18 pm
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Mataxes wrote: ↑
Fair enough (about not listing talents twice - which is a Good Thing (TM)), but what is the rationale for the increased cost? This also makes no sense to me. If the cost needs to change (and I don't see why it does) I would think the cost should be lower. As the adept gains experience, learning "lower level" abilities should be easier, not harder. To use a karate metaphor, learning a technique traditionally taught at Orange belt is almost always going to be easier for for a Brown belt student vs. an Orange belt student.Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:32 pm
As Oracle said, it isn't actually listed twice, and in most cases the scenario being laid out here (where a character chooses one of their Novice options as a Journeyman talent) probably doesn't happen that often. After all, when you hit C5 all those Journeyman options become available, and those are (generally) better/more powerful choices than your Novice options.
Take Care,
Lou Prosperi
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Statistics:Posted by ottdmk — Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:55 pm
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Of course, the players want to learn novice tier talents. Just not while they are at novice tier.
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Slimcreeper wrote: ↑
Unless using the "Specific Training for Talent Options" Optional Rule (ED4PG454), a character can fill the Circle X Talent Option Slot with 8 hours of meditation any time after achieving Circle X.Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:43 am
And they don't have to wait until they circle up, right? They can fill an empty Optional Slot, or Discipline Slot for that matter, at any point?Statistics:Posted by etherial — Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:59 am
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