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FASA Games, Inc.FASA Games Forums and News 2019-07-11T23:11:54 http://fasagames.com/forum/app.php/feed/topic/1319 2019-07-11T23:11:542019-07-11T23:11:54 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9987#p9987 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]> Statistics:Posted by Telarus — Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:11 pm


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2019-07-07T19:00:272019-07-07T19:00:27 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9963#p9963 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]>
INCREASING FREE TALENT RANKS wrote:The purpose of Free Talents is to provide characters of certain Disciplines with tools and abilities they are expected to have that may not directly influence play very often. These talents should increase as the character advances in Circle. Making them Discipline talents, however, requires the player to spend Legend Points on them, and these points might feel “wasted” if the talent doesn’t see use.
On the other hand, a drawback of free talents is that there’s no way for a player to increase them outside of advancing their character’s Circle. For those who wish for more flexibility in this aspect of character development, we offer the Increasing Free Talent Ranks optional rule.
With this rule in effect, characters may purchase ranks above their Circle in their free talent if they wish. The cost is equivalent to buying the same rank of a Novice-tier talent (Player’s Guide, p. 450). For example, a Third Circle character buying an extra rank in their free talent would need to pay 500 Legend Points. Normal limits and restrictions on purchasing talent ranks still apply.
When the character gains the free rank through Circle advancement (for example, the character previously described advances to Fourth Circle), there are a couple of different options available. Legend Points spent on the extra talent rank are refunded and the player is free to spend them as they wish (including pouring them back into the free talent).
The Legend Points are credited towards purchasing the next extra rank in the free talent (e.g., the character in our example would get 500 Legend credited toward buying rank 5, needing only 300 additional Legend Points).
The Legend Points are lost. Depending on the game, this can be unbalancing. It makes players who take advantage of this option spend points on something they would otherwise get for free if they were patient. This means fewer points to spend on other talents, permanent threads, and the like.

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2019-07-07T02:56:182019-07-07T02:56:18 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9958#p9958 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]>
HOWEVER there is one aspect from it that I don't like; its a Free Talent.

Usually, one would be very happy to have the Talent follow the progression of the Circle for free but here it has a real downside at low circle (especially at creation): The Troubadour can do any and all 'entertainer' skills (any instruments, signing, dancing, acting etc).... at Rank 1, meaning that Joe Anybody who just put 2 points of skill in, for example, signing at creation will be better at it than a Troubadour.

Meh, nothing's perfect I guess.

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2019-07-07T02:33:322019-07-07T02:33:32 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9957#p9957 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]> Statistics:Posted by Telarus — Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:33 am


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2019-07-04T22:40:122019-07-04T22:40:12 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9948#p9948 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]>
but it isn't a skill. it's a magical talent. if it doesn't entirely make sense, well... it's magic. of course you and i couldn't play any instrument in existence to a professional level shortly after being introduced to the existence of those instruments, and neither could the greatest musicians in the world, but that's because we're not magically empowered. for all we know, troubadours tap into the "idea" of the instrument that wizards i'm sure would tell us is a thing and that's where they derive their knowledge. or maybe they have an ability to feel how the instrument is being used, that feeling having been imbued by whoever created the instrument or the people who have previously played it. somehow or other, it works, and since it isn't likely to be a game balance issue, i think that's perfectly fine.

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2019-07-04T19:30:592019-07-04T19:30:59 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9945#p9945 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]> Statistics:Posted by Slimcreeper — Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:30 pm


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2019-07-04T15:50:062019-07-04T15:50:06 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9943#p9943 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]>
(The "Craftsman" ability for Weaponsmiths serves the same purpose.)

From a narrative/storytelling/character standpoint, I imagine many Troubadours actually do specialize in a couple of things, or become famous for a couple of things. But they're magically powered creative-types -- if they want to turn their mind to something, they're good enough to produce quality material.

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2019-07-04T01:54:182019-07-04T01:54:18 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9938#p9938 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]>
Bonhumm wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:55 pm
So would this indeed mean that the Troubadour could use any instrument even those he never heard of before?
Or, for role-playing purposes, if you want you could say that he learns all instruments he has never heard of before about as quickly as he can learn a new language he has never heard spoken before, It takes about one minute. But in any case, yes, it is magical how well he learns and does all that stuff.

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2019-07-03T22:02:242019-07-03T22:02:24 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9935#p9935 <![CDATA[Re: Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]> Statistics:Posted by Slimcreeper — Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:02 pm


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2019-07-03T21:55:272019-07-03T21:55:27 http://fasagames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319&p=9934#p9934 <![CDATA[Entertainer Talent for Troubadour]]>
I would like your opinion about how to interpret the description of the Entertainer skill-as-a-talent for Troubadours.

The way its written (This talent works like the Entertainer skill (p. 196), but does not require the adept to choose a specialty) gives me the feeling that it basically mean that the Troubadour can perform any kind of 'entertaining' without prior training or knowledge.

At first I thought I was probably not interpreting this correctly (when someone seems OP, its usually a misunderstanding) but then I realized that's its basically what the Melee Weapons talent do too: an Adept WILL be able to use ANY kind of melee weapon as efficiently as any other; no matter if someone has used a dagger at his life, he will be equally good with a pole-axe the first time he uses it (as long as the min STR requirement is met of course).

So would this indeed mean that the Troubadour could use any instrument even those he never heard of before? And/or being able to sing/act/tell stories or poetry without having done it before?

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