Statistics:Posted by Bonhumm — Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:46 am

So your assumption that LOS is required for every spell except Mystic Shock is wrong.

Statistics:Posted by RazanMG — Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:52 pm

• Material objects between the caster and the target will not prevent a spell from reaching the target unless they block the magician's line of sight.

• Sight is not the only way of targeting a spell, though it is the most common.

• Any method that makes the magician certain of the target’s location allows the creation of the proper astral arc.

Statistics:Posted by Baravakar — Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:28 pm

Statistics:Posted by Belenus — Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:16 pm

Statistics:Posted by Belenus — Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:19 pm

RazanMG wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:33 pm

1. Need Line of Sight (or touch). Only Mystic Shock is an exception.
2. Not magic and magic objects between caster and target will prevent spells from working if there is no LoS. Only Mystic Shock is an exception.
3. The End

Astral Sense doesn't let you to see (LoS) only to sense magical things. And because you sense it not see it, and need Line of Sight to cast spell, it doesn't let you to cast spell on someone behind wall.

Statistics:Posted by Bonhumm — Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:13 am

Material objects between the caster and the target will not prevent a spell from reaching the target unless they block the magician's line of sight. Targets receive a bonus to their Mystic Defense for cover to reflect the increased difficulty of targeting them successfully. If the Spelcasting test succeeds any physical manifestation that accompanies the spell avoids physical obstacles to strike the spells target.

Statistics:Posted by Dougansf — Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:59 pm

Statistics:Posted by RazanMG — Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:33 pm

Baravakar : ↑
Yes there maybe a wall physically between the wizard and the target but when the wizard has Astral Sense up, their field of perception is everything in a 30 yard radius. There is no physical wall visually between the wizard and the target when the wizard's perception includes both sides of the wall and the front and back of the target.

Dougansf:
The wizard can sense the wall as well, it's still there, the Wizard can simply Sense through it. Objects still provides cover to the target.

Baravakar: ↑
People keep ignoring that Astral Sense enhances Astral sight from LoS to a 30 yard radius.
Dougansf:
At no point is that being ignored. Technically it's changing Astral Sight from Rank x 10 yards to 30+ yard radius.

• spells travel in an astral arc between the caster and the target

• Any method that makes the magician certain of the target’s location allows the creation of the proper astral arc

• Material objects between the caster and the target will not prevent a spell from reaching the target unless they block the magician’s line of sight.

• If the Spellcasting test succeeds any physical manifestation that accompanies the spell avoids physical obstacles to strike the spell’s target.

• There are two general types of astral imprints: those of inanimate objects, and those of living beings and magical items.

• Inanimate astral imprints possess form but little substance.

• Because the astral imprints of inanimate physical objects are insubstantial, astral beings (including Namegivers in astral space) can pass through them.

• The sensation of passing through the astral imprint of what the character recognizes as solid matter is disconcerting and confusing. Most Namegivers in astral space prefer to walk around imprints of obstacles rather than through them.

Dougansf:
Total Cover prevents attacks against PD and MD. Despite the fact that you may hear them just around the corner, and know where they are, the spell still can't bend around the corner (See Bank Shot as the way around this for Archers, or Mystic Shock for Wizards).

• (They) avoid physical obstacles to strike the target

Statistics:Posted by Baravakar — Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:01 pm

Statistics:Posted by ChrisDDickey — Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:53 pm

Statistics:Posted by Bonhumm — Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:06 am

Statistics:Posted by ChrisDDickey — Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:45 am

Statistics:Posted by Bonhumm — Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:25 am

Mataxes wrote: Imprints are (relatively) easily detected but don't provide much information beyond "there's magical energy/life force here".

Panda wrote:

ChrisDDickey wrote:Focusing your attention on the back of the cottage, you pick up the astral imprints of their weapons and armor. Again you need to roll at least an 8 to more closely observe these astral imprints and the astral imprints of their gear.

For this kind of information, you are going to need to have astrally sensed the target, which is made against their Mystic Defense. Even then, I would be skeptical of providing these details unless they have a true pattern of their own. A generic sword has as much of a pattern as rocks - this quickly leads down the path of information overload. If it doesn't have a living pattern, it shouldn't be showing up here. Again, if you would like to provide this information, it is your game and you should do so.

Along those lines, I would consider requiring additional successes to do so: at one, you get basic information. After that, each additional success allows for a question similar to Evidence Analysis. This narrows it down to what the adept is actually paying attention.

Panda wrote:The first test to perceive astral space allows you to differentiate between what you are seeing, just with no real details. It's not that you are seeing the imprint of a dead log, you are seeing the imprint of "stuff". There is a bunch of impenetrable "stuff" on the ground and astrally it is completely uninteresting. You aren't seeing a mundane sword because it may as well not exist compared to the true pattern using it. When you get down to it, Astral Sight is primarily interested in true patterns. If you will, true patterns are visible at the astral wavelength, everything else is some level of background noise.

To be fair, the topic of astral space has been left deliberately vague and mysterious for a variety of reasons. One of the reasons is so GMs aren't boxed in by any "official" answers and you can tell the stories you want. This explicitly isn't a setting where all of the answers are known. Magic isn't fully understood. Arguably, it isn't even well understood. There are a lot of general rules and guidelines, but also a lot of exceptions. Thread items spontaneously generate, here seem to be some correlations, but no one knows how to trigger the event. Same with pattern items. Pattern items cannot be thread items, except when they are (a Weaponsmith's heartblade is the prime example of this). The entire field of true illusions is more like a number of strangely connected loopholes in the "laws" of magic as they are understood by Wizards. Basically the magical equivalent of somewhere between quantum mechanics and mysticism, fully leveraging the observer effect.

Mataxis wrote:If you are aware somebody is there --- typically with normal vision, but at GM discretion awareness through other methods may apply -- then you can astrally sense them with a single action. The level of astral corruption acts as a modifier to their MD.

In the latter case, where you aren't aware of the spirit, it would take two. You could do a 'generic' astral sensing (DN 6+mod) to detect imprints in the area (Note 1), and then once you are aware of the imprint, can focus in on it with a new roll (Note 2).

Note 1: I would rule that most concealing magic would hide the imprint (as discussed with the Stealthy Stride talent) and the generic sense roll would need to overcome that DN (modifed by astral space).

Bonhumm wrote:Beating the MD would allow you to figure out what kind of magic it is (hey, it's a desperate blow blood charm or a thread item or even a Pattern item) and/or target it for a spell.

Statistics:Posted by ChrisDDickey — Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:53 am