15mm and Qs

Discussion on the 1879 miniatures and tabletop battles rules.
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Re: 15mm and Qs

Postby Roth » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:31 pm

Kasbak wrote:I'm somewhat curious on the source for the information, or if it's just opinions formed from observation. Checking the links on the graphs, the first two are from an Australian math institute, and the third is from an elementary school site, so I kind of doubt the visual aids are directly linked to information on miniatures.

Yes the pictures were just pulled from the 'net. I used them as visual aids, nothing more.
The 'opinions' were from a dozen years in the industry in one capacity or another; playtester, demo rep, worker, designer.

Kasbak wrote:Regardless, this is alt history, so I don't believe straight up history buffs are really in the direct market (though I do hope it will appeal to them). That reduces the venn diagram complexity to two sets, heroic scale players and role-players.

Except it doesn't reduce anything. You're using 'history buff' scale trying to target a group who has never been interested in that scale. You're trying to appeal to the Big SUV crowd by offering them Fiats.

Don't take my word for it, talk to miniature game designers. See what they say. See if this 18mm(what Ral Partha calls it) scale game will have any traction. If more than a couple says "of course!" I'll eat a bunch of crow.

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Re: 15mm and Qs

Postby TarlimanJoppos » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:59 pm

Roth - thanks very much for your input. Always good to hear from someone who's had boots on the ground, so to speak.

As far as the scale goes, part of the issue may be that our minis are being designed and produced by Ral Partha Europe. We may in fact have problems with the North American market, but do well in Europe. Or we could do well in both markets, or poorly in both. Only time, as you said, will really tell. That being said, there's also the possibility we could introduce die-hard roleplayers to minis gaming through the interlinking on the two product lines. These would be people who aren't already committed to the NA larger-scale standard.

In any case, we're not pinning our hopes of success on any one product line. If the minis game does well, fine. If the RPG does well, fine. If one of them doesn't perform so well, we'll see how long we can carry it before we have to call it a lesson learned. If neither do well, we've got other products we can bring out. Basic business. As Line Developer for 1879, it is my fervent hope that 1879 overall does well. Based on the response we've had to our minis sneak peek at last year's GenCon, and the RPG sneak peek I did at MystiCon last weekend, I have some foundation for that hope.

And who knows? Maybe North America will warm up to a European standard. Didn't work so well with the metric system, but there's fewer people to convert with a miniatures scale.
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Re: 15mm and Qs

Postby Roth » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:12 am

I could toss up memos, reports, links, charts, graphs, etc. until my fingers fell off. It wouldn't matter.

That is why I said You guys are going to do what you're going to do. That has been made abundantly clear.

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Re: 15mm and Qs

Postby Bogie » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:42 pm

Yeah. At this point we are pretty much locked into what we are doing. So, as you say, we are going to do what we are going to do. I guess my concern as just a guy running the game and working for the company is what I can do to make it fun for the people that play it.

The scale definitely takes some getting used to as someone who has only played in larger scale games but it has kind of grown on me.

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Re: 15mm and Qs

Postby Telarus_KSC » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:21 pm

As some-one interested in 1879, do the 'heroic' larger scale figurines usually come based in units/blocks like the 15/18mm ones shown for the game now? Or is the US 'heroic' scale market more used to individually based figurines?

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Re: 15mm and Qs

Postby Roth » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:14 pm

Telarus_KSC wrote:As some-one interested in 1879, do the 'heroic' larger scale figurines usually come based in units/blocks like the 15/18mm ones shown for the game now? Or is the US 'heroic' scale market more used to individually based figurines?
95% individually based. There are some, typically large block formation games(WFB the easiest to mention), that do multiple miniatures per base.


Colonel Bogie wrote:Yeah. At this point we are pretty much locked into what we are doing. So, as you say, we are going to do what we are going to do. I guess my concern as just a guy running the game and working for the company is what I can do to make it fun for the people that play it.

The scale definitely takes some getting used to as someone who has only played in larger scale games but it has kind of grown on me.

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Re: 15mm and Qs

Postby Bertjammin » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:16 am

I'd throw in that over here in the UK 15mm is regularly referred to as "GOS" "God's own scale" and is the preference for a lot of gamers, both historical and fictional.

The main reason seems to be that it's the closest to the 1:72 or HO/OO scale that most gamers grew up with as toy models, modelling kits (such as Airfix) and train sets. Therefore historical units and terrain were easy to source in "regular" high street hobby & toy shops - especially when specialist gaming stores have often been few & far between.

It's often historically a much cheaper scale to get into at an entry level as miniatures are usually less than the 20, 25 or 28+mm equivalent.
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Re: 15mm and Qs

Postby Roth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:15 pm

I guess. I don't think it is a wise move.


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